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12/02/2020 um 5:06 Uhr #82729
Guten Morgen zusammen,
hallo @Molly, stimmt, ich hab’s noch nicht erklärt warum. Vorträge werden bei uns mit sehr wenigen Ausnahmen auf Englisch gehalten. Englisch dominiert auch allgemein in der naturwissenschaftlichen Forschung. In unserer Abteilung würden fast alle kein Problem haben, den Vortrag auf Englisch zu verfolgen. Es gibt mehrere wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiter, die kein Deutsch sprechen, daher wäre umgekehrt ein Vortrag auf Deutsch problematisch.
Gefrühstückt habe ich schon, und Brot Nr. 9 ist im Ofen. Ich backe es genauso wie Brot Nr. 7. Sieht gut aus soweit.
Gleich nehme ich meine Medis und mache wieder Gewichtsübungen. Nach über einem Monat merke ich so langsam auch körperliche Effekte, etwas fitter bin ich schon geworden und auch etwas bewegungsfreudiger. Hoffentlich dauert diese Phase noch lange an.

Wünsche allen einen guten Mittwoch. Heute ist mein Betriebsratstag :good:
LG,
Mowa12/02/2020 um 21:05 Uhr #82843Danke für die Erklärung!
13/02/2020 um 18:39 Uhr #82973Hallo zusammen,
nachdem ich gestern in der Betriebsratssitzung nach der deutschen Version von den Folien gefragt wurde, habe ich die überarbeitete englische Version jetzt auch übersetzt:
(Edit am 09.02.2025: Bilder gelöscht, da sie aufgrund eines Softwarebugs nicht angezeigt werden können)
Meinem Psychotherapeuten habe ich die aktuelle englische Version auch schon zukommen lassen, und er hat zurückgemeldet, dass der Vortrag „sehr schön, kurz und knackig, nicht überladen“ sei. Darüber habe ich mich gefreut.
Die Betriebsärztin schlug noch vor, ich könne dem Publikum ja am Anfang darauf hinweisen, dass sie jederzeit den Raum verlassen können, wenn sie es möchten. Und am Ende auch fragen, ob diese Informationen für sie hilfreich waren, usw. Das finde ich prima, und genau so werde ich auch vorgehen.
Im Moment überlege ich mir die Details, was ich zu den einzelnen Folien sagen möchte, und teilweise wühlt mich das noch auf. Vermutlich werde ich mich beruhigen, wenn ich weiß, was genau ich sagen werde und wenn ich den Vortrag auch eingeübt habe.
Heute habe ich neben dem IT-Job während der Zugfahrten noch an einer Danksagung an eine langjährige Mitarbeiterin verfasst, die zum Ende des Monats in Rente geht und im Betriebsrat usw. äußerst engagiert war. Ich habe noch nie eine solche Danksagung verfasst, aber im Großen und Ganzen wurde mein Text von den Kollegen erstmal angenommen. Das erleichtert mich etwas.
Außerdem habe ich den kleinen Newsletter-Beitrag etwas abgeändert, und dieser wurde auch von den Kollegen angenommen. Zum Glück muss ich den Text nicht selbst ins Englische übersetzen, das macht ein englischer Mitarbeiter, der schon lange für den Betriebsrat übersetzt.
Die Züge waren heute zum Glück pünktlich, und ich war gegen 14:15 Uhr zu Hause. Etwas ausgelaugt, weil ich die Stunden zuvor durchgearbeitet hatte. Morgen noch eine Dienstreise, hoffentlich gibt es keine Verspätungen. Zu Hause werde ich mich sicher noch viel mit dem Vortrag beschäftigen, auch am Wochenende. Ich bin froh, wenn ich den Vortrag hinter mich bringen kann!
LG,
Mowa13/02/2020 um 18:50 Uhr #82976wow – man @mowa hast du dir aber eine menge arbeit gemacht und so toll stukturiert auch die einzelnen bereiche und themen :good:
wünsch dir sehr das deine kollegen deinen vortrag gut aufnehmen…
echt wahnsinn was du so alles schaffst…
liebe grüße und einen schönen feierabend :bye:
14/02/2020 um 4:36 Uhr #82999Guten Morgen zusammen,
und vielen Dank liebe @erdbeere für Deinen Kommentar
Ich habe den deutschen Titel zu „Mit Psychosen umgehen lernen – ein Rückblick“ zurückgeändert, denn „verarbeiten“ hat doch eine andere Bedeutung.Nun habe ich mir für die ersten 3 Folien überlegt, was ich wie sagen möchte. Später möchte ich den Text auch ins Deutsche übersetzen:
***Folie 1***
Good morning everyone, and thank you for attending my presentation today. The title of my talk is “coping with psychoses – a reprospect”, and as you will see more later, this is not a scietific talk, and it has nothing to do with my work in the research & IT support but rather with my private health situation as a psychotic, but more in general terms.First of all, if you don’t feel well about this topic or whatever reasons you may have, please feel free to leave the room now or at any time during the talk. You don’t have to stay here, just to tell you.
And sorry for cutting van Gogh’s paintings into pieces, but I thought they fit perfectly to my presentation as the way how van Gogh, who also suffered from psychotic episodes, painted the sun and the moon etc. reminded me strongly of my own perceptions while I was acutely psychotic.
***Folie 2***
My first psychotic episode was in 2010, and at that time, I didn’t know anything about psychosis or about mental illnesses in general.When I was discharged from the psychiatry, I felt like an alien and my younger sister who was with me then and we were in the city of Freiburg, she had to take my hand and help me cross the street. So we were both in a new situation we’ve never encountered in the past.
Since this so to say dramatic change in my life almost 10 years ago, it has been a steep learning curve for me, to adapt gradually to health ristrictions, to experience and to recover from relapses, and to re-build resilience.
Also I realized slowly that metal illnesses are highly stigmatised in our societies, especially schizophrenia or psychoses. I’ve never been aware of this situation before.
As you might know, at times, there are negative headlines in the media about psychotics, which can fuel prejudices like “psychotics are unpredictable and violent” or “persons suffering from mental illness are too weak” and so on. Although for example, it is known that statistically, there are no increased group prevalence of psychotics for crime.
Psychosis result often in social decline and social isolation of psychotics, and I think this is not only but also owing to the lack of opportunities for many psychotics to become re-included in our societies.
***Folie 3***
There are a number of movies dealing with psychotics, and here you can see a few of them.David Helfgott was (and is still today) a world-class concert pianist from Australia, and the recent documentary “Hello, I Am David!”, directed by Cosima Lange, about him and his life is my most favorite film. This documentary was filmed almost 20 years after the Oscar-winning feature film “Shine” was published, which is worth watching, too.
“A Beautiful Mind”, directed by Ron Howard in 2001 is another Oscar-winning feature film, and it is about John Forbes Nash Jr., a US mathematician and Nobel laureate known particularly for his fundamental contributions to the game theory. This film won other awards, too, including Golden Globe Awards and British Academy Film Awards.
The third film that I think it is worth watching is a German film “The White Sound” or “Das weiße Rauschen”, by Hans Weingartner, an Austrian director, and released in 2001, about a young man who just graduated from high school and after consuming a magic mushroom, he started to hear voices as an auditory hallucination, and developed a deep psychosis. This film won a Max-Ophüls-Preis and several other German film prizes, too.
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Von der Zeit her ist es noch ok, momentan liegt der Durchschnitt bei 1,5 Minuten pro Folie. Dann bräuchte ich ca. 15 Minuten für 10 Folien, was gut in den Rahmen passt.
Im Zug werde ich eventuell weiter am Text arbeiten. Gleich führe ich noch ein Gute-Nacht-Gespräch mit meinem Mann, mache Gewichtsübungen usw. Viel kann ich nicht auf einmal schreiben, weil der Inhalt mich auch aufwühlt.
Liebe Grüße @alle, kommt gut ins Wochenende
Mowa
14/02/2020 um 8:16 Uhr #83022
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Klingt echt gut liebe Mowa dein Vortrag und einfach so mutig sich vor Leute mit diesem Thema hinzustellen wenn man selbst betroffen ist. Du schaffst das.
Liebe Grüße Bernadette :bye:
15/02/2020 um 2:27 Uhr #83142Guten Morgen zusammen,
und danke schön liebe @Bernadette für Deine Zeilen
Gestern habe ich dann nicht mehr viel am Vortrag gemacht, auf der Rückfahrt ein bisschen aber dann war mein Kopf voll und ich musste Pause machen. Zu Hause habe ich viel gegessen und bin gleich auf dem Sofa eingeschlafen, später habe ich mich ins Bett geschleppt. Jetzt fühle ich mich ausgeschlafen, und gleich mache ich am Vortrag weiter, ich habe noch zweieinhalb Tage Zeit
Wünsche allen ein schönes Wochenende!
LG,
Mowa15/02/2020 um 4:11 Uhr #83144Guten Morgen @Mowa …freue mich für dich
Der Vortrag gefällt mir gut .
Das Bild super gut ausgesucht .Es ist mein Lieblingsbild von Van Gogh.
In Frankfurt war eine Austellung von seinen Bildern.
Ich war zuerst skeptisch ob es gut sei wegen der Stigmatisierung .
Inzwischen bin ich begeistert und bewundere deinen Mut.
Ich ziehe den Hut.
Ich wünsche dir gutes Gelingen und höre schon den Applaus.
17.02.2020 Toi ToiToi
:good:
15/02/2020 um 7:28 Uhr #83154Das ist total lieb, vielen Dank @Oceana
So, ich habe mir noch weitere Gedanken zu den Folien gemacht:
***Folie 4***
What is, respectively, psychosis and schizophrenia at all?The diagnoses can be found in the ICD, the International Classification of Diseases, which is issued periodically by the WHO, the current version being ICD-10 from last year.
Presumably, the majority of psychoses are diagnosed within the range of F20, which is schizophrenia, to F29, which is unspecified non-organic psychosis.
The most prominent charcteristic, I find, of a person suffering from an acute psychosis is that this person is, to a significant extent, out of touch with the “normal” reality, that is shared by the vast majority of healthy persons.
The symptoms can be categorized in positive and negative symptoms.
On one hand, positive symptoms refer to a mental state that is “too much”, e.g. delusions (e.g. a religious delusion can be when the person “knows” that he or she is Jesus Christ himself), hallucinations (e.g. an auditory hallucination is when the person hears voices or other sounds without any real auditory stimuli. Of course, hallucinations can involve any of the sensory organs, that are auditory, visual, haptic, olfactory, and gustatory hallucinations), Disorganization can concern the thoughts, feelings, speeches and other actions.
On the other hand, negative symptoms refer to a mental state that is “too less”, e.g. flattening of affects that are feelings, alogia, i.e. speechlessness, and avolition, i.e. lack of of motivation.
The (edit:) likelihood of developing a psychosis during life time is about 1% in western cultures. So the occurrence is not really rare. And of those who develop psychoses, the typical onset, that is the first time psychosis, occurs at the ages between 16 and 30 years.
***Folie 5***
What causes a psychosis? Well, arguably, there are practically always multiple factors that can lead to the development of a psychosis.Non-organic psychoses can be caused by e.g. excessive and persistent stress, deprivation (e.g. sleep deprivation, social isolation, etc.), trauma, medication, and psychoactive drugs (i.e. Cannabis, amphetamines, cocaine, etc.).
Organic psychoses can be caused by degenerative diseases of the brain such as Alzheimer, brain injuries, and infections (impeding the immune system).
***Folie 6***
So how do we treat psychoses? There are medicial and non-medicinal therapies available to psychotics.The vast majority of psychiatrists rely on medication as the primary measure to treat their patients vulnerable to psychoses. Medicines also appear to the most effective therapy when it comes down to acute illnesses. However, many of these patients suffer from side effects of the medication, too.
Antipsychotics were discovered as early as in the 1950s, and these agents block primarily the dopamine-receptors in the brain. Second-generation-antipsychotics tend to block serotonin-receptors, too. Now, dopamine and serotonin are known as happiness hormons, and dopamine also keeps us motivated.
And so as you can imagine, depending on the choice of the antipsychotic agent and the dose of the agent, there will be compelling side effects that can include the loss of feelings and motivation. Antipsychotic agents also act in the saturation center in the brain. Many patients experience weight gain, and obesity can be a persistent side effect, too. A large spectrum of other possible side effects exist, which can impede the healthy functioning of both the body and the soul.
Other medicines prescribed to patients vulnerable to psychoses include antidepressants and bezodiazepines. Benzos, e.g. lorazepam and diazepam, are anxiolytics, i.e. they decrease anxiety.
Several non-medicinal therapies are offered in psychiatric clinics, too, including ergotherapy, art, music, movement, work etc. therapy.
Psychotherapy can be an effective support to recover from psychotic episodes, by analyzing professionally the personal problems and by strengthening the individual’s ability to care for one’s self.
There are different therapies available to psychotics, but the ability to prioritize the own health is, in my opinion, the pre-requisite for the overall recovery process.
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Jetzt mache ich Pause und skype erstmal mit meiner Mutter.
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Diese Antwort wurde vor 5 Jahren, 12 Monate von
Mowa geändert.
15/02/2020 um 10:12 Uhr #83187And so as you can imagine, depending on the choice of the antipsychotic agent and the dose of the agent, there will be compelling side effects that can include the loss of feelings and motivation.
Ja, leider
und davon sprechen die Ärzte kaum
Du hast das Thema, denke ich gut zusammengefasst :good:
15/02/2020 um 10:23 Uhr #83191
Anonym
Gelöscht 0821
15/02/2020 um 11:19 Uhr #83199:good: Das wird!
15/02/2020 um 13:39 Uhr #83227metal illnesses

Ich hab mir erlaubt, den Text mal „korrekturzulesen“ – was jetzt natürlich in keinster Weise als klugscheißerische Besserwisser-Kritik daherkommen soll. Aber mein (schriftliches) Englisch ist, bei aller Bescheidenheit, ziemlich gut. Und Korrekturlesen ist ja sowieso einfacher als so ‘nen Text selbst zu verfassen.
In erster Linie hab ich lediglich ein paar Ausdrucks-/Grammatik-/Formulierungs-„Fehler“ (sprich: ich würde manches eventuell ein wenig anders formulieren, damit es für mich sprachlich „wohlklingender“ erscheint) entdeckt – und natürlich den ein oder anderen Tippfehler, siehe oben. *hrhrhr* Sinngemäß bleibt alles erhalten.
Bei Interesse kann ich die Überarbeitung gerne hier posten.
Verständlich und umfassend geschrieben ist der Vortrag aber so oder so.
15/02/2020 um 13:42 Uhr #8322915/02/2020 um 14:05 Uhr #83238aber mein Englisch ist auch ziemlich begrenzt
Na also das würd ich aber absolut nicht sagen.
Find ich sehr gut geschrieben und ist flüssig zu lesen. Meine Version erhebt natürlich auch keinen Anspruch auf Perfektion
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fett+ kursiv: veränderte Formulierungen / Tippfehler
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***Folie 1***
Good morning everyone, and thank you for attending my presentation today. The title of my talk is “Coping with psychoses – a reprospect”, and as you will see more later, this is not a scientific talk, and it has nothing to do with my work in the research & IT support but rather with my private health situation as a psychotic, but more in general terms.First of all, if you don’t feel comfortable about this topic for whatever reasons you may have, please feel free to leave the room now or at any time during the talk. You don’t have to stay here, just to make that clear.
And sorry for cutting van Gogh’s paintings into pieces, but I thought they would fit perfectly to my presentation, as the way how van Gogh, who also suffered from psychotic episodes, painted the sun and the moon etc., reminded me strongly of my own perceptions when I was acutely psychotic.
***Folie 2***
My first psychotic episode occurred in 2010, and at, that time, I didn’t know anything about psychosis or about mental illnesses in general.When I was discharged from (the) psychiatry I felt like an alien, and my younger sister, who was with me then – we were in the city of Freiburg – (she) had to take my hand and help me cross the street. So we were both in a new situation we’ve never encountered in the past.
Ever since this so to say dramatic change in my life almost 10 years ago, it has been a steep learning curve for me to gradually adapt to health restrictions, to experience and to recover from relapses, and to re-build resilience.
Also, I realized slowly that mental illnesses, especially schizophrenia or psychoses, are highly stigmatized in our societies. I’ve never been aware of this situation before.
As you might know, at times there are negative headlines in the media about psychotics, which can fuel prejudices like “psychotics are unpredictable and violent” or “persons suffering from mental illness are too weak” and so on. Although, for example, it is known that statistically there is no increased group prevalence of psychotics regarding crime.
Psychosis often results in social decline and social isolation of the affected person, and I think this is in part due to the lack of opportunities for many psychotics to become re-included in our societies.
***Folie 3***
There are a number of movies dealing with psychotics, and here you can see a few of them.David Helfgott was (and still is today) a world-class concert pianist from Australia, and the recent documentary “Hello, I Am David!”, directed by Cosima Lange, about him and his life is my (most) favorite film. This documentary was filmed almost 20 years after the Oscar-winning feature film “Shine” was published, which is worth watching, too.
“A Beautiful Mind”, directed by Ron Howard in 2001 is another Oscar-winning feature film, and it is about John Forbes Nash Jr., a US mathematician and Nobel laureate known particularly for his fundamental contributions to (the) game theory. This film won other awards, too, including Golden Globe Awards and British Academy Film Awards.
The third film that I think (it) is worth watching is a German film. “The White Sound” or “Das weiße Rauschen”, by Hans Weingartner, an Austrian director, was released in 2001.
It is about a young man who just graduated from high school and after consuming magic mushrooms, he started to hear voices as an auditory hallucination, and developed a severe psychosis. This film won a Max-Ophüls-Preis and several other German film prizes, too.***Folie 4***
What is psychosis and schizophrenia, respectively, anyway?
The diagnoses can be found in the ICD, the International Classification of Diseases, which is issued periodically by the WHO, the current version being ICD-10 from last year.
Presumably, the majority of psychoses are diagnosed within the range of F20, which is schizophrenia, to F29, which is unspecified non-organic psychosis.
The most prominent characteristic, I find, of a person suffering from an acute psychosis, is that this person is, to a significant extent, out of touch with the “normal” reality that is shared by the vast majority of healthy persons.
The symptoms can be categorized in positive and negative symptoms.
On one hand, positive symptoms refer to a mental state that is “too much”, e.g. delusions (for example a religious delusion can be when the person is convinced that he or she is Jesus Christ himself), hallucinations (e.g. an auditory hallucination is when the person hears voices or other sounds without any real auditory stimuli. Of course, hallucinations can involve any of the sensory organs, that are auditory, visual, haptic, olfactory, and gustatory hallucinations), Disorganization can concern (the) thoughts, feelings, speech and other actions.
On the other hand, negative symptoms refer to a mental state that is “too little”, e.g. flattening of affect – i.e. feelings, alogia, i.e. speechlessness, and avolition, i.e. lack of of motivation.
The (edit:) likelihood of experiencing at least one psychotic episode during one’s life is about 1% in western cultures. So the occurrence is not really rare. And in those who develop psychoses, the typical onset, that is the first time a psychosis occurs, is at the ages between 16 and 30 years.
***Folie 5***
What causes (a) psychosis? Well, arguably, there are practically always multiple factors that can lead to the development of (a) psychosis.Non-organic psychoses can be caused by (e.g.) excessive and persistent stress, deprivation (e.g. sleep deprivation, social isolation, etc.), trauma, medication, and psychoactive drugs (i.e. Cannabis, amphetamines, cocaine, etc.).
Organic psychoses can be caused by degenerative diseases of the brain such as Alzheimer’s, brain injuries, and infections (impeding the immune system).
***Folie 6***
So how do we treat psychoses? There are pharmaceutical and non-pharmaceutical therapies available to psychotics.The vast majority of psychiatrists rely on medication as the primary measure to treat (their) patients vulnerable to psychoses. Medication also appears to be the most effective therapy when it comes (down) to an acute psychotic state. However, many of these patients suffer from side effects from that medication, too.
Antipsychotics were discovered as early as in the 1950s, and these agents primarily block the dopamine receptors in the brain. Second-generation-antipsychotics tend to block serotonin receptors as well. Now, dopamine and serotonin are known as ‘happiness hormones’, and dopamine also keeps us motivated.
And so, as you can imagine, depending on the choice and the dose of the antipsychotic agent, there will be compelling side effects that can include the loss of feelings and motivation. Antipsychotic agents also act on the saturation center in the brain. Many patients experience weight gain, and obesity can be a persistent side effect, too. A large spectrum of other possible side effects exists, which can impede the healthy functioning of both the body and the mind.
Other medicines prescribed to patients vulnerable to psychoses include antidepressants and bezodiazepines. Benzos, e.g. lorazepam and diazepam, are anxiolytics, i.e. they decrease anxiety.
Several non-pharmaceutical therapies are offered in psychiatric clinics, too, including ergotherapy, art, music, movement, work therapy etc.
Psychotherapy can be an effective support to recover from psychotic episodes, by professionally analyzing (the) personal problems and by strengthening the individual’s ability to care for one’s self.
There are different therapies available to psychotics, but the ability to prioritize your own health is, in my opinion, the prerequisite for a successful recovery process.
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